Queal 5.0 Discussion

[jintonicc]

Also not a fan of this change. Protein as one of the main reasons drinking Queal, this change makes me consider switching. I do understand your rationale. It works out - especially for Average Adam - when consuming your whole nutrition through Queal, but that is somewhat misguided. Most people or at least most people I know use Queal for supplementing one or two meals per day and for the purpose of not only replacing meals, but rather supplementing the other meals. When I want a premade drink instead of a meal, I want A+ nutrition, so much so that it offsets "worse" decisions for the other meals. When I drink one of my meals, I want to eat some tasty stuff for my other meals and that oftentimes correlates with lower protein and especially higher fat content. With the last Queal version, a shake would offset that, high protein and low fat in my Queal would offset that delicious spaghetti carbonara with a bunch of fat and low protein. Now it further accentuates the problem. With the new formula, it does not give me any leeway. So the problem does not lay with the nutrition per se, but with the fact that it does not work for it did earlier. If it is just a replacement that is not better than what it should be, but just hits the macros, there are better alternatives. For a cheap, convenient and nutritious alternative, I'd just eat some oat meal with whey directly. Costs a lot less, has lot less fat and more protein. Queal was nice for being basically, but tastier and more convenient with the added bonus of vitamins and other goodies.

As a last point, I do not really see the point of staying at the same price. Protein is the most expensive part and I do not see how reducing protein by a third is leveled by higher quality fat ingredients. To get the same level of protein, I have to change to the higher priced Ahtletic Queal? I mean I can basically add a scoup of whey to my shakes and I have Athletic Queal at a much lower price point, but that kind of eliminates the convenience factor. At this point, I'd much rather just eat the oat meal & whey shake combo. I see your points, but I think you are handling it from the wrong perspective.

[nando_25]

As a company you have all the rights to change the product in any way you see fit, but I think you are not just asking to change just someone's mind here, but to change someone's habits. I am sure many people will have done their homework here and won't argue against that the changes are without any fundament. Nevertheless, election in diet is an opinionated decision, according to science probably the most healthy one is a low fat plant based one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventist_Health_Studies and yet not everybody follow it right?. Also, these studies were performed on thousands of people during a big span of time by many scientists. Examine.com, as a good resource for information as it is, is run by a person without any medical qualification whatsoever and most of the articles are signed by someone called kamal. Not trying to be disrespectful here but I think that in order to establish a pattern between diet and health examine.com should be just an initial source of information not the ultimate one. Anyway, I think that the users of the product, being as I would call them early adopters, would have done their research and have decided to use the product with the conditions it had before. With the new conditions I will not order it, I think it would be wise to let users like me the option to have a product on a similar conditions as it had before, the new version of the athlete contains less protein than the current standard one. Will still the price be around 20% higher??

Best wishes and have a nice day,

[Ophelie]

For those people which are considering switching for something else, by what kind of product will you replace your morning queal ?

[Floris_Queal]

Thanks for the encouraging words.

In terms of taste I can say it's about the same or even slightly improved

For Canada we will consider that once the orders are enough to warrant that. For now the shipping is about CAD 30 and we hear that not all packages get an import/handling fee (which is about 10%). Shipping takes about 10 workdays. So I hope that for now that will be able to carry you over

[Floris_Queal]

Thank you for the insight and that is exactly the balance we're trying to find. I think more people than expected use Queal for 2 to 3 meals and we still want to make that very much possible too

[Floris_Queal]

Good questions and I will address these further in the final update to the recipe (which will start shipping around end May).

Please do know that the oils are always stored in dark place without air (to prevent auto- and photo-oxidation). Also when mixed the bags protect against UV. And if much oxidation should occur it should give an off-flavour which we've not found in our samples.

For the total PUFA I see that it isn't mentioned (as are the MUFA). So here they are too:
Mono-unsaturated fatty acids: 8,6g (19% of energy)
Poly-unsaturated fatty acids: 4,0g (8,6% of energy)

[Floris_Queal]

Thank you for your perspective. I totally understand where you're coming from.

As a company we could do better to understand what other meals people are eating and see if we could better match that. I will add a question related to this to the dashboard to get a better sampling.

Two groups that I think we will serve well with the new formula are 1) people who use Queal 70-100%, and 2) people who use the time/effort to make a 'good/balanced' meal for the 1 to 2 other meals.

Just to use myself as an example. On average I drink 2 shakes of Queal and eat a bar most of the days. I use the time I win during the day to cook a balanced meal in the evening. I'm vegetarian and am active with sports so I know that I need enough protein. But with mushrooms/meat-replacements/etc I do find that I can easily fulfil that.

One thing we could also do better is to make example days / meal-plans that highlight different scenarios and give a better insight into what Queal would mean for your day (in combination with a variety of different meals). Would that be interesting or would everyone's diet vary too much to provide insight that way?

[Floris_Queal]

Thank you for providing this different view. Please know that the EFSA recommendations are our primary source and websites like Examine.com only help inform our changes/recommendations. EFSA actually incorporates many studies and I highly recommend reading their papers on both macro and micronutrients (although to can get dense).

The changes for Athletic 5.0 will still take a long time and for now the price and formula will not be changed. When we do we will definitively explain why.

[Floris_Queal]

Without shooting ourselves in the foot too much.

In terms of protein content as % of calories I found that the following 4 are higher than Queal 5.0 Athletic (26%)
- Plenny Sport (27%)
- Myprotein (29%)
- Huel (30%, but all vegan source)
- Jake Light (33%, but vit&min/recipe based on 1500kcal)

As mentioned before it's also possible to add a bit of whey (or casseine) protein if you wish yourself, but I understand that this defeats the convenience of the shakes.

And know that Athletic 4.0 will still be available the next few months.

[gmat]

I'm a 70%+ user (sometimes 100%). I welcome the protein reduction as i'm not using Queal as a sports shake, and my extra meals are usually very high in protein themselves. I'll give more feedback later on digestion, taste and consistency as i have only tried the new recipe once at the moment.

[kelt0]

I use Queal Lite, well the new name is Agile. And I want to know the nutritional information for Queal 5. Please provide it, thanks

[Grasintud]

I use Queal Lite, well the new name is Agile. And I want to know the nutritional information for Queal 5. Please provide it, thanks

was wondering the same as you kelt. any information about it would be deeply appreciated! thanks a lot!

[Floris_Queal]

@Grasintud and @kelt0 this is the nutritional information for Agile:

It follows the same considerations as for Standard and you can read more about the changes in the original blog.

Feel free to shoot me specific questions

[kelt0]

Wow, you added a lot more sugar. Why? This is not good......

[Floris_Queal]

I totally understand. Sugar has a very bad reputation. But not all sugars (or in a broader sense, carbohydrates) are created equally.

We do have changed the formula to have more isomaltulose. Here is a quote from the update blog:

What has changed is where a lot of these carbohydrates come from. Where first just over half came from Maltodextrin, it has now been lowered to 25%.

The other 25% is from Isomaltulose. Isomaltulose is a disaccharide carbohydrate composed of glucose and fructose. It is classified as a sugar (instead of polyols) because of the short-chain structure. It has a much lower impact on blood sugar levels than Maltodextrin, and doesn't stimulate the release of insulin. It is also found not to add to tooth decay.

Therefore, the glycemic index of Queal drops from a moderate 65-70 to an even lower 50. This puts Queal 5.0 in the same range as Whole Wheat Bread, Corn Tortillas, and Spaghetti.

[Cilph]

I'm new to Queal and I'm on my first batch after the taste tester pack, but I have to say the Royal Rice Pudding is probably the best flavor I've had. Wish it weren't limited edition, so I'll be ordering more bags when I can.

[joeydenbroeder]

I agree completely. I'd drink liters of it every day just for the flavor. Of course it wouldn't be very healthy, but you get the idea

[DavidDavid]

Royal Rice Pudding was the best flavor ever and I've worked thru all the standards.
It's even better than my previous favorite Awesome Apple Pie.
I also had no trouble with digestion/gas afterwards (which I had with almost all of them, except with Macchiatto and AAP to an only minor, but still annoying degree), which might be due to the lowered protein content.
Getting enough calories in the first place to build muscle is a more important issue for me, than hitting some mystical macro-ratio target (I have virtually no sensation of feeling hungry ever, which is a downside of being 'metabolically flexible', I guess).

I was disappointed, that I couldn't vote for RRP to become part of the permanent line-up.

To the question:
I don't have an opinion about the reduction in Palm Fat (was that for Hippie reasons or health reasons?).
I don't know what GI is.

The recipe seems to be the first, that I can digest without any problems at all,
so please go ahead with this.
I'm never not satiated, really.
Energy levels don't change dramatically after a meal for me anyway, unless I go full pasta, after which I get tired and sluggish.
I think it might dissolve better in water, but I'm not entirely sure.

[Onno_Queal]

I was disappointed, that I couldn't vote for RRP to become part of the permanent line-up.

Just to be absolutely clear: The currently running poll is to vote for which Limited Editions will get a repeat appearance in May, not to become a permanent part of the line-up. You can't vote on it, as it's still available right now.

[DavidDavid]

Oh okay. I misunderstood. Still want RRP to be permanent, though.